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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22164&quot;&gt;nicky&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting and counterintuitive note on the point most are agreeing with (point 1 in the measures above), there appears -surprisingly- to be no significant relationship between established mental illness and gun violence.  Still, despite that,  I would not feel comfortable with a schizo having an AR-15 at his (her) disposal. But then, I would not feel comfortable with &lt;i&gt;anybody&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt; walking around carrying an AR-15, unless in the context of a &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt; well regulated militia .  :)  And note, I would not consider all US police forces well regulated.  :(]]></description>
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<p>Interesting and counterintuitive note on the point most are agreeing with (point 1 in the measures above), there appears -surprisingly- to be no significant relationship between established mental illness and gun violence.  Still, despite that,  I would not feel comfortable with a schizo having an AR-15 at his (her) disposal. But then, I would not feel comfortable with <i>anybody</i> walking around carrying an AR-15, unless in the context of a <i>very</i> well regulated militia .  🙂  And note, I would not consider all US police forces well regulated.  🙁</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22151&quot;&gt;Torbjörn Larsson&lt;/a&gt;.

Hear , hear!]]></description>
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<p>Hear , hear!</p>
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		By: Jenny Haniver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 19:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22150&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

This a.m. (Sunday in the US), I was exceedingly glad to see this http://www.businessinsider.com/david-hogg-calls-out-dana-loesch-nra-florida-shooting-reaction-2018-2 -- David Hogg, a survivor directly addresses Loesch&#039;s disgusting remarks.

I find it sad and worrisome, not to mention cruelly ironic, that in the midst of all the right-wing clamor for more guns and guards in schools (effectually turning them into prisons for students), not just one, but I hear that three armed security personnel of some sort were on site when the shooting occurred and stayed outside.  Not sure if it&#039;s a direct quote from Scott Peterson, but I think he said something like he did his duty by &quot;securing the perimeter&quot;.]]></description>
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<p>This a.m. (Sunday in the US), I was exceedingly glad to see this <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/david-hogg-calls-out-dana-loesch-nra-florida-shooting-reaction-2018-2" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessinsider.com/david-hogg-calls-out-dana-loesch-nra-florida-shooting-reaction-2018-2</a> &#8212; David Hogg, a survivor directly addresses Loesch&#8217;s disgusting remarks.</p>
<p>I find it sad and worrisome, not to mention cruelly ironic, that in the midst of all the right-wing clamor for more guns and guards in schools (effectually turning them into prisons for students), not just one, but I hear that three armed security personnel of some sort were on site when the shooting occurred and stayed outside.  Not sure if it&#8217;s a direct quote from Scott Peterson, but I think he said something like he did his duty by &#8220;securing the perimeter&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 18:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22162&quot;&gt;ratabago&lt;/a&gt;.

Or why don&#039;t they progressively inhabit the bodies of GOP voters in swing states to make them vote Democratic? With early voting, they could get them to post their ballots in, so it wouldn&#039;t have to even be done on election day.]]></description>
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<p>Or why don&#8217;t they progressively inhabit the bodies of GOP voters in swing states to make them vote Democratic? With early voting, they could get them to post their ballots in, so it wouldn&#8217;t have to even be done on election day.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 18:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22160&quot;&gt;nicky&lt;/a&gt;.

Good article. The perspective of someone who&#039;s been in the situation, and has been trained for armed combat is valuable. Thanks for posting it.]]></description>
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<p>Good article. The perspective of someone who&#8217;s been in the situation, and has been trained for armed combat is valuable. Thanks for posting it.</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22164&quot;&gt;nicky&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh yes, I forgot: lifting the ban on CDC&#039;s to investigate the health impact of guns.]]></description>
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<p>Oh yes, I forgot: lifting the ban on CDC&#8217;s to investigate the health impact of guns.</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, what can be done? The best, of course would be to bring the Second Amendment back to it&#039;s original meaning: the context of a well regulated militia to defend the country, but that appears not really feasible now (due to some ridiculous and inane SCOTUS decisions). 
There appears widespread and non-partisan support for some measures (from the Vox article):
1 - Preventing the mentally ill from acquiring guns. 
2 - A no-fly listing is to be a simultaneous no-gun listing.
3 - Background checks on private sales and gun shows.
4 - A special permit for carrying concealed guns.
There are other measures that are only relatively partisan, where Dems are overwhelmingly in favour and Reps about evenly split:
5 - A ban on semi-automatic, high velocity rifles (such as the R-15)*.
6 - Creating a federal database to track gun sales**
7 - Banning high capacity magazines.
8 - increasing waiting periods for buying guns.
And then there are measures where the partisan gap is wide (40% or more)
9 - A ban on teachers arming themselves in K-12 schools
10- A ban on concealed carry in more places.
There are, of course, other measures thinkable, such as a buy-back policy, although in the US it will have to be on a voluntary basis, I guess.
Can anybody think of other measures that might have some more or less bi-partisan support, and hence be feasible?
I guess that a ban on hand-guns is not feasible in the US at this stage (see the inane SCOTUS decisions mentioned earlier). 

* These high velocity gunshot wounds are absolutely horrifying, due to their high energy they cause cavitation and tremendous tissue destruction, in a wide area around the actual trajectory of the bullet.
**With our modern IT technology it would not be too difficult to extend that to all gun ownership over a few years. And to add a shell &#038; bullet profile, which is as unique as a fingerprint, so most bullets can be traced back to a specific gun.

I do not think that implementing these measures will solve the US gun-death problems, but it will most certainly help, more than thoughts and prayers or arming teachers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what can be done? The best, of course would be to bring the Second Amendment back to it&#8217;s original meaning: the context of a well regulated militia to defend the country, but that appears not really feasible now (due to some ridiculous and inane SCOTUS decisions).<br />
There appears widespread and non-partisan support for some measures (from the Vox article):<br />
1 &#8211; Preventing the mentally ill from acquiring guns.<br />
2 &#8211; A no-fly listing is to be a simultaneous no-gun listing.<br />
3 &#8211; Background checks on private sales and gun shows.<br />
4 &#8211; A special permit for carrying concealed guns.<br />
There are other measures that are only relatively partisan, where Dems are overwhelmingly in favour and Reps about evenly split:<br />
5 &#8211; A ban on semi-automatic, high velocity rifles (such as the R-15)*.<br />
6 &#8211; Creating a federal database to track gun sales**<br />
7 &#8211; Banning high capacity magazines.<br />
8 &#8211; increasing waiting periods for buying guns.<br />
And then there are measures where the partisan gap is wide (40% or more)<br />
9 &#8211; A ban on teachers arming themselves in K-12 schools<br />
10- A ban on concealed carry in more places.<br />
There are, of course, other measures thinkable, such as a buy-back policy, although in the US it will have to be on a voluntary basis, I guess.<br />
Can anybody think of other measures that might have some more or less bi-partisan support, and hence be feasible?<br />
I guess that a ban on hand-guns is not feasible in the US at this stage (see the inane SCOTUS decisions mentioned earlier). </p>
<p>* These high velocity gunshot wounds are absolutely horrifying, due to their high energy they cause cavitation and tremendous tissue destruction, in a wide area around the actual trajectory of the bullet.<br />
**With our modern IT technology it would not be too difficult to extend that to all gun ownership over a few years. And to add a shell &amp; bullet profile, which is as unique as a fingerprint, so most bullets can be traced back to a specific gun.</p>
<p>I do not think that implementing these measures will solve the US gun-death problems, but it will most certainly help, more than thoughts and prayers or arming teachers.</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 07:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22126&quot;&gt;Peter&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent links, thanks.]]></description>
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<p>Excellent links, thanks.</p>
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		By: ratabago		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 07:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22141&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

It sounds like they watched &lt;i&gt;The Matrix&lt;/i&gt; one too many times while influenced by Dubious Substances(TM)-- possibly something involving a lot of methylated spirits.  It also sounds like, all evidence to the contrary aside, they have a very shallow imagination. If there are hundreds of such immensely powerful &quot;Agents&quot; out there who are dedicated to enacting a Liberal Agenda why would they waste time making Authoritarian Christians look bad? Why not just split their time between making major Republican donors donate all their money to the Democrats and to Liberal Causes, making Republicans in Congress and the Senate vote for anything the Democrats proposed, and making the Leaders of the NRA and CEOs of Armament Manufacturers publicly confess to crimes against Humanity?

Much scattered Capitalisation to help those who support such Loopy Theories follow my Argument (I&#039;m feeling snarky today).]]></description>
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<p>It sounds like they watched <i>The Matrix</i> one too many times while influenced by Dubious Substances(TM)&#8211; possibly something involving a lot of methylated spirits.  It also sounds like, all evidence to the contrary aside, they have a very shallow imagination. If there are hundreds of such immensely powerful &#8220;Agents&#8221; out there who are dedicated to enacting a Liberal Agenda why would they waste time making Authoritarian Christians look bad? Why not just split their time between making major Republican donors donate all their money to the Democrats and to Liberal Causes, making Republicans in Congress and the Senate vote for anything the Democrats proposed, and making the Leaders of the NRA and CEOs of Armament Manufacturers publicly confess to crimes against Humanity?</p>
<p>Much scattered Capitalisation to help those who support such Loopy Theories follow my Argument (I&#8217;m feeling snarky today).</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2018 06:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/guns-schools-good-idea-plus-tweets/#comment-22160&quot;&gt;nicky&lt;/a&gt;.

Friedman, sorry.]]></description>
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<p>Friedman, sorry.</p>
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