Russia never had a strong enough economy to be in the G8 in the first place. It was a face-saving device to make him feel important. (There was a particular reason, but it’s slipped my mind.) I doubt Trump understands that..

I just think his personality of entitlement means he thinks the law shouldn’t apply to him, and so he himself genuinely believes he hasn’t done anything wrong. Even when he is convicted of the state crimes, he still won’t see he was wrong and it was a witch hunt. His personality is such a lot of people (and I mean millions) will believe him. I doubt he would ever understand the seriousness of being impeached either. He will personally believe his motives were good, and therefore it’s all okay. The people around him, that he persuaded, are another matter.

I can’t wait to see Trump in prison. He is a completely revolting creature. I especially want the 13 year old he raped in front of witnesses to take him to court.

He will either remain in denial throughout it all, or the reality will suddenly hit, at which point he’ll probably get out of his punishment by having a heart attack. That’s how he stays healthy – he believes he’s healthy, and he’s been doing it his whole life, and it’s so strong it’s mind over matter.

I cannot agree with that last part. Did get into all of it deliberately and with purpose. When do you think Trump started up with Manafort, just before he became campaign manager for free. They had been in business, if that’s what they call it, for years. Wherever the next building project was going to be over seas Manafort was close by. There was also this building designer who designed many of the trump projects but he has suddenly disappeared, just a week or so ago. I cannot remember the name but he was recently contacted by a journalist and within a week he was shut down and gone. Maddow talked about that the other day.

Guess what Trump just put out today on his way to the G7. He said they need to let Russia back in. That is how bought and paid for he is. And so stupid he does not think everyone else does not know how wrong that is. Yeah, Russia just spent the last two years busting our election all to hell but lets bring them back to the party.

It is clear now, get your point loud and clear.
Mrs Manafort, Flynn, Trump Jr and several more of their ilk, should have contacted the FBI, in other words. The fact they didn’t is unusual , it appears, and hence suspect no doubt, but is it illegal? The fact we have this ‘Mueller investigation’ seems to say yes, it could be.
(You would know, that is what I mean when I say you know much more about these things than I do).

What I am saying is – the standard procedure for anyone in an election campaign who is contacted by a foreign person or organization about the election or wanting to help with the election is to turn it over to the FBI immediately. I am not talking about investigations after the fact or any of that. I only am saying for instance, you were a person working on the Obama election back in 2007. If some one from Russia came up to you with ideas on how they could help you get him elected, your first action would be to call the FBI. How many calls did the FBI get from all the people in the Trump campaign about Russian contacts or even a phone call.

Sorry if this was not clear.

I do not really understand what you’re saying.
Does not the FBI get some undeserved flak now for trying to get some information about some in Mr Trump’s campaign with Russian contacs?

Giuliani wasn’t just a pig. He was a complete a$$ho£e!

I’m not saying Trump isn’t owned by the Russians. I think he is. And of course you’re right about how guilty he’s acting. I just think Trump might have fallen into this as a patsy, not realizing how completely stupid he was being. For example, he took Manafort on because he didn’t have to pay him. The Russians were able to use Trump because he was more concerned with doing in the cost than anything else. He’s now realized this, and doesn’t want it exposed how stupid he was.

However, there are also dodgy Russian financial dealings I think, which may or may not be part of what Putin has on him. Putin definitely has something imo.

And Trump couldn’t act more guilty if he tried.

I just don’t think he got into the collusion part deliberately. He got in by being foolish. He thinks that should exonerate him, but doesn’t want that exposed.

I should have included this one thing. In the old days, anytime before Trump, when any foreign country or individual contacts an election campaign in any way, it was turned over to the FBI asap. It was just done. With these guys, the contacts with Russians was constant and relentless. Yet nothing was reported, nothing turned in. Right now a congressman is attempting to put in a bill, a law requiring this. And think of it. Nothing has been done to stop the Russians doing the same thing this fall. They are doing it now.