Have a great time Ken! We’ll miss you. 🙂

Speaking of hypocrisy, listen to the master obfuscator of Heather’s Homilies lecture us on clarity! As I’ve said before, chutzpah is not something jam lacks.

I’ve made nothing up. Baltimore has a very long history of institutionalised racism in the 20th century, let along the 19th, that anyone really so interested in actual history would know. If you think that’s incidental to the erection of such a monument, you are more deluded than I thought. And so Pelosi has it very wrong. That’s no argument for inaction at all.

It’s not that you can site other examples of racism – few here would disagree there’s plenty around not being addressed – it’s that you’re using them to distract from the issue in front of us and to deny anything should be done about it. It’s not even like anyone here has been an apologist for Britain or other racism.

And trying to conflate a woman’s moral right to choose with racism is just as wrong as it gets and simply more of your own befuddlement. If this is where your tour guide and translator have led you, you are not being served well by it at all.

I’m off now for a while to see some sights. Do try and behave. Happy Spring, kiwis, and see you all in October.

http://www.knoxmercury.com/2017/08/25/times-remorseless-doom-two-monuments-fort-sanders/

Never mind the racism j.a.m. is wearing on his sleeve. What about whataboutery!?

Hey, didja know that there’s this guy in North Korea named, “Kim,” who’s even crazier than Drumpf? That means Drumpf must be the greatest person evar! And what about all these other horrible things, even worse than j.a.m.?

Ooh — I know! What about whataboutery on toast?

So…a serious question. Are you actually on Putin’s payroll, or are you merely in a passionate bromance with his professional trolls? What is it about Russian strong men that gets you so excited?

b&

And what about Peter Stuyvesant?

http://nypost.com/2017/08/24/jewish-activists-target-removal-of-peter-stuyvesant-monuments/

Wow.

Not only are you proudly parroting the KKK’s talking points, now you’re hijacking the thread to advocate that women should still be bonded into — literally! — forced labor.

What next? Maybe harvest womens’s organs after they can’t bear any more children? You’re already claiming chattel ownership of their reproductive systems.

Do you have any clue what century this is?

b&

Please don’t obfuscate. My comments are about one thing only: Hypocrisy.

1. Pelosi complains about statues inside the Capitol building that she did nothing about during four years as House Speaker. She won’t say if her father was a racist.

2. Rather than learn the actual history of a monument, Ken makes up a fable to fit a narrative.

3. When it comes to history, context does matter, and having all the facts does matter. The historical fact is that indeed everyone WAS a racist — in the 19th Century, by retroactive standards, virtually everyone in Europe or of European extraction was a racist and white supremacist, including the entire political and military leadership on both sides of the Civil War. And if your moral yardstick is who profited from slavery (on both sides of the Atlantic), generals do not top the list. The historical fact is that few who died on the Confederate side were slave owners, and few who died on the Union side were fighting to end slavery.

4. Moralizing is cheap if you only go after soft targets. I could muster a little more respect for your position when and if you take on the British monarchy and the many other symbols of British crimes against humanity.

5. Keep in mind that a hundred years from now people will look on the abortion industry with the same repugnance we hold for slavery. And then deserved ignominy will befall the legacy of those politicians who today “stand with Planned Parenthood.”

Removing monuments to racism from public places is not revisionist, let alone would be other suggestions made here, like adding context that reduced their effect. Erasing history is not the goal, reducing what looks to many like institutionally sanctioned racist symbols is the goal. There are still books and many even have pictures. We are not suggesting they be revised. The people who suffered this particular racism most certainly don’t want it forgotten, as should be terribly obvious, ffs. No, it is the racists, and people like you – and I do hope there is a difference, though you’re rather challenging us find it – who want to obscure the past by lying that there was some imaginary noble cause, or with apologetics like “everyone is racist, so hold no one responsible”.

Next you’ll be telling us it was the slaves’ fault for getting caught by the slave traders.

As racist causes go, you can’t top old-fashioned British imperialism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3038655/Memorials-British-colonials-attacked-South-Africa-protesters-demand-statues-honouring-racist-figures-past-removed.html

Not to mention that Britain was the largest market for slave-produced cotton, or that the Confederacy would have collapsed without the support of British factories, mills and shipyards.

So let’s commence the revisionism by inventing an anti-racist substitute for “Victorian”.