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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-roman-catholic-church-loses-the-plot-in-kenya/#comment-12431&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

I know I&#039;ve just breezed in now - almost 2 years after the writing of the post - but the Kenyan govt, the WHO and UNICEF are continuing undeterred with the programme which is good - however the Catholic Church in Kenya is still against it, which is bad!

831,000 women set for tetanus vaccine, Daily Nation, 16 May 2016
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3204988-6maqkkz/index.html

The Director of Matercare International forwarded the article by a Kenyan Gynaecologist you referred to - and they have head office in Canada but based in every English speaking country, plus having many clinics in Africa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-roman-catholic-church-loses-the-plot-in-kenya/#comment-12431">Heather Hastie</a>.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;ve just breezed in now &#8211; almost 2 years after the writing of the post &#8211; but the Kenyan govt, the WHO and UNICEF are continuing undeterred with the programme which is good &#8211; however the Catholic Church in Kenya is still against it, which is bad!</p>
<p>831,000 women set for tetanus vaccine, Daily Nation, 16 May 2016<br />
<a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3204988-6maqkkz/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3204988-6maqkkz/index.html</a></p>
<p>The Director of Matercare International forwarded the article by a Kenyan Gynaecologist you referred to &#8211; and they have head office in Canada but based in every English speaking country, plus having many clinics in Africa.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-roman-catholic-church-loses-the-plot-in-kenya/#comment-12429&quot;&gt;somer&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Somer. It&#039;s a while since I wrote the post, so I can&#039;t remember what I&#039;ve read, but I&#039;ll definitely have a look at this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-roman-catholic-church-loses-the-plot-in-kenya/#comment-12429">somer</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Somer. It&#8217;s a while since I wrote the post, so I can&#8217;t remember what I&#8217;ve read, but I&#8217;ll definitely have a look at this.</p>
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		By: somer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[somer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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correction &quot;its perhaps largely&quot; should be &quot;its Definitely largely because of vaccines that we&#039;ve had a global collapse since WW2 of infant mortality in age range 0-5&quot;]]></description>
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<p>correction &#8220;its perhaps largely&#8221; should be &#8220;its Definitely largely because of vaccines that we&#8217;ve had a global collapse since WW2 of infant mortality in age range 0-5&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 03:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fantastic article Heather.  I know some Christians who crap on about vaccines in general  and its deeply disturbing especially when it leads to horrible deaths and complete ignorance of the fact that its perhaps largely because of vaccines that we&#039;ve had global collapse (in relative terms) of infant mortality 0-5.  Your article motivated me to have a good look around about this particular issue (HCG and association of vaccines with sterilisation.  Apparently its been damaging anti tetanus programmes in various countries since the 1990s.
I found a site which convincingly debunks the claims - which you&#039;ve no doubt seen but its an interesting read
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fear-mongering-about-vaccines-as-racist-population-control-in-kenya/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article Heather.  I know some Christians who crap on about vaccines in general  and its deeply disturbing especially when it leads to horrible deaths and complete ignorance of the fact that its perhaps largely because of vaccines that we&#8217;ve had global collapse (in relative terms) of infant mortality 0-5.  Your article motivated me to have a good look around about this particular issue (HCG and association of vaccines with sterilisation.  Apparently its been damaging anti tetanus programmes in various countries since the 1990s.<br />
I found a site which convincingly debunks the claims &#8211; which you&#8217;ve no doubt seen but its an interesting read<br />
<a href="https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fear-mongering-about-vaccines-as-racist-population-control-in-kenya/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fear-mongering-about-vaccines-as-racist-population-control-in-kenya/</a></p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather Hastie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 01:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-roman-catholic-church-loses-the-plot-in-kenya/#comment-3465&quot;&gt;Conn Suits&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve been looking into this a bit, but am having difficulty finding any info. The most recent I&#039;ve found so far is November last year, where a US Catholic healthcare group has reassured the Kenya doctors&#039; association that the tetanus vaccines there are not laced with sterilizing chemicals, but still say more testing has to be done to reassure the doctors. There&#039;s a short article here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/24/kenya-tetanus-vaccines-void-anti-pregnancy-hormone/

I&#039;ll look again in a few months. This is a programme the Kenyan government, WHO and UNICEF are all committed to, so they will not give up.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve been looking into this a bit, but am having difficulty finding any info. The most recent I&#8217;ve found so far is November last year, where a US Catholic healthcare group has reassured the Kenya doctors&#8217; association that the tetanus vaccines there are not laced with sterilizing chemicals, but still say more testing has to be done to reassure the doctors. There&#8217;s a short article here: <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/24/kenya-tetanus-vaccines-void-anti-pregnancy-hormone/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/24/kenya-tetanus-vaccines-void-anti-pregnancy-hormone/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look again in a few months. This is a programme the Kenyan government, WHO and UNICEF are all committed to, so they will not give up.</p>
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		By: Conn Suits		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-roman-catholic-church-loses-the-plot-in-kenya/#comment-3462&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

A follow-up would be fantastic! Especially if it turned out that everything had been solved. 

I don&#039;t see how Catholicism would make them do THIS.  But maybe I&#039;m expecting irrational religious crap to just make too much sense.  But the no condoms thing which killed masses of people as we both know was about the Catholic Church&#039;s whole punish people for sex thing. I don&#039;t see a sex connection to tetanus unless it&#039;s because it&#039;s women giving birth. When anesthesiology was first discovered Christian ministers in Britain said oh no you mustn&#039;t use that for women in labor, because: Eve. Or are you thinking their Catholicism is making them embrace this nutty conspiracy theory out of some either mythology of  catholic/Christian persecution or they think demons are doing it? Because to me it sounds more like Third World political bullshit. &quot;The first world is going to poison us all&quot;. A conspiracy theory about aids repeated endlessly in Africa. Not that it matters particularly but I don&#039;t see the religion component in this, other than the Catholic Church having too much power and deciding to try to set public policy. They try that where I live too,  but the government doesn&#039;t listen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-roman-catholic-church-loses-the-plot-in-kenya/#comment-3462">Heather Hastie</a>.</p>
<p>A follow-up would be fantastic! Especially if it turned out that everything had been solved. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how Catholicism would make them do THIS.  But maybe I&#8217;m expecting irrational religious crap to just make too much sense.  But the no condoms thing which killed masses of people as we both know was about the Catholic Church&#8217;s whole punish people for sex thing. I don&#8217;t see a sex connection to tetanus unless it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s women giving birth. When anesthesiology was first discovered Christian ministers in Britain said oh no you mustn&#8217;t use that for women in labor, because: Eve. Or are you thinking their Catholicism is making them embrace this nutty conspiracy theory out of some either mythology of  catholic/Christian persecution or they think demons are doing it? Because to me it sounds more like Third World political bullshit. &#8220;The first world is going to poison us all&#8221;. A conspiracy theory about aids repeated endlessly in Africa. Not that it matters particularly but I don&#8217;t see the religion component in this, other than the Catholic Church having too much power and deciding to try to set public policy. They try that where I live too,  but the government doesn&#8217;t listen.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather Hastie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-roman-catholic-church-loses-the-plot-in-kenya/#comment-3459&quot;&gt;Conn Suits&lt;/a&gt;.

I should follow this up to see what&#039;s happening now. To me it shows the lengths people will go to for dogma, and how it can blind the most intelligent people to reality. The Catholic doctors in Kenya know better, but their religion has taken charge of their minds.]]></description>
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<p>I should follow this up to see what&#8217;s happening now. To me it shows the lengths people will go to for dogma, and how it can blind the most intelligent people to reality. The Catholic doctors in Kenya know better, but their religion has taken charge of their minds.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just read this. Holy crap!  A fact you missed: human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG)  couldn&#039;t sterilize anyone! It&#039;s a fertility hormone. It&#039;s used in fertility treatments. It&#039;s also used in a bogus &quot;diet&quot; that is sold to people in the First World countries. It&#039;s not a dangerous chemical. Unlike Tamoxifen which triggers premature menopause. And is a chemical derived from a plant. HCG as you point out is a chemical produced in pregnancy. There&#039;s a readily available test for HCG because it&#039;s the pregnancy test!  Is that why they decided to pretend HCG is dangerous, because it&#039;s easy to test for? Was this conscious sabotage of the vaccination campaign? 

Since to my knowledge the Catholic Church isn&#039;t opposed to vaccines, although if I found out tomorrow it was I wouldn&#039;t be surprised, this sounds like less a crazy Catholic Church doctrine crime against people, and more like an example of the church expecting it&#039;s people in First World countries to get First World level medical care. But in Third World countries &quot;hey, who the hell cares&quot;. In other words the Catholic Church in Kenya could be stopping this crap from some of their members. And has a moral obligation to do so. And since this post is old hopefully they already have. It also shows that having the big fancy &quot;Western&quot; institution of the Catholic Church in your Third World country doesn&#039;t contribute to fighting backwardness. Even backwardness that isn&#039;t specifically Catholic. Ugh.

Oh and the people inventing this conspiracy and spreading this not just false but idiotically false medical information, should go to jail. For Crimes Against Humanity. Crimes Against Humanity don&#039;t have to be gigantic. And manslaughter. For every baby and mom who dies from tetanus in the vaccination campaign zones.

 Thank you Heather, for this ghastly info. :-/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read this. Holy crap!  A fact you missed: human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG)  couldn&#8217;t sterilize anyone! It&#8217;s a fertility hormone. It&#8217;s used in fertility treatments. It&#8217;s also used in a bogus &#8220;diet&#8221; that is sold to people in the First World countries. It&#8217;s not a dangerous chemical. Unlike Tamoxifen which triggers premature menopause. And is a chemical derived from a plant. HCG as you point out is a chemical produced in pregnancy. There&#8217;s a readily available test for HCG because it&#8217;s the pregnancy test!  Is that why they decided to pretend HCG is dangerous, because it&#8217;s easy to test for? Was this conscious sabotage of the vaccination campaign? </p>
<p>Since to my knowledge the Catholic Church isn&#8217;t opposed to vaccines, although if I found out tomorrow it was I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised, this sounds like less a crazy Catholic Church doctrine crime against people, and more like an example of the church expecting it&#8217;s people in First World countries to get First World level medical care. But in Third World countries &#8220;hey, who the hell cares&#8221;. In other words the Catholic Church in Kenya could be stopping this crap from some of their members. And has a moral obligation to do so. And since this post is old hopefully they already have. It also shows that having the big fancy &#8220;Western&#8221; institution of the Catholic Church in your Third World country doesn&#8217;t contribute to fighting backwardness. Even backwardness that isn&#8217;t specifically Catholic. Ugh.</p>
<p>Oh and the people inventing this conspiracy and spreading this not just false but idiotically false medical information, should go to jail. For Crimes Against Humanity. Crimes Against Humanity don&#8217;t have to be gigantic. And manslaughter. For every baby and mom who dies from tetanus in the vaccination campaign zones.</p>
<p> Thank you Heather, for this ghastly info. :-/</p>
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