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		By: Ken		</title>
		<link>https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13518</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13517&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, decisions planned for Dec were help back. Interesting too that the pro settlement article you posted above uses these same delays as part of its attempt to cast the settlements in a better light, when it&#039;s far more likely that the authorities simply knew that they could be much less restrained if they waited. Love it when people obfuscate to complain about obfuscation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13517">Heather Hastie</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, decisions planned for Dec were help back. Interesting too that the pro settlement article you posted above uses these same delays as part of its attempt to cast the settlements in a better light, when it&#8217;s far more likely that the authorities simply knew that they could be much less restrained if they waited. Love it when people obfuscate to complain about obfuscation.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13509&quot;&gt;Ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I saw that. Either CNN or Fox was saying they deliberately waited until Trump was president before announcing it as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13509">Ken</a>.</p>
<p>I saw that. Either CNN or Fox was saying they deliberately waited until Trump was president before announcing it as well.</p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2017 06:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As expected: Israel Approves Construction and Planning of 2,500 Settler Homes in West Bank
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As expected: Israel Approves Construction and Planning of 2,500 Settler Homes in West Bank<br />
<a href="http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.767203" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.767203</a></p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13420&quot;&gt;Ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree. Terminology should be accurate. But I feel like the term &quot;Settlement&quot; has a meaning in Israel that would surprise many.

I think the term &quot;Settlement&quot; is one that from an outsider&#039;s pov is misleading. Just based on the name, I would expect a Settlement to be geographically contiguous, including in the way it&#039;s built. I feel like the Israeli government can&#039;t really expect people to think other than that there are a lot more Settlements than there are legally because of how they&#039;re built. It&#039;s a bit disingenuous imo.

Also, I&#039;ve never heard it said there are &quot;thousands&quot; of Settlements. However, I&#039;ve also always tried to get my information from sources I think will at least try to be fair. A lot of the anti-Israeli sentiment Malgorzata recounts, for example, I&#039;ve simply never come across and wouldn&#039;t believe if I did (without confirmation from a reliable source).

However I know there are protests against Hamas in both the West Bank and Gaza for their poor governance and we never see them on our screens. And if we do, the blame is placed solely with Israel. It&#039;s all but impossible to work out what&#039;s really going on from a distance. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13420">Ken</a>.</p>
<p>I agree. Terminology should be accurate. But I feel like the term &#8220;Settlement&#8221; has a meaning in Israel that would surprise many.</p>
<p>I think the term &#8220;Settlement&#8221; is one that from an outsider&#8217;s pov is misleading. Just based on the name, I would expect a Settlement to be geographically contiguous, including in the way it&#8217;s built. I feel like the Israeli government can&#8217;t really expect people to think other than that there are a lot more Settlements than there are legally because of how they&#8217;re built. It&#8217;s a bit disingenuous imo.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve never heard it said there are &#8220;thousands&#8221; of Settlements. However, I&#8217;ve also always tried to get my information from sources I think will at least try to be fair. A lot of the anti-Israeli sentiment Malgorzata recounts, for example, I&#8217;ve simply never come across and wouldn&#8217;t believe if I did (without confirmation from a reliable source).</p>
<p>However I know there are protests against Hamas in both the West Bank and Gaza for their poor governance and we never see them on our screens. And if we do, the blame is placed solely with Israel. It&#8217;s all but impossible to work out what&#8217;s really going on from a distance. </p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2017 06:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13397&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

No question journos should get their terminology right and report events accurately. That they don&#039;t only adds to the difficulties of understanding this situation. But the implication that therefore there is no issue with growing numbers of Israeli&#039;s in occupied land is what is the most deliberately misleading. I&#039;ve never really given much thought to the distinction and would have said the issue was mainly about the increasing number of people rather than settlements anyway. Interestingly, the same PeaceNow link referred to here includes a chart at the end showing the growth in settlers in nearly a straight line from the late 1970&#039;s until now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13397">Heather Hastie</a>.</p>
<p>No question journos should get their terminology right and report events accurately. That they don&#8217;t only adds to the difficulties of understanding this situation. But the implication that therefore there is no issue with growing numbers of Israeli&#8217;s in occupied land is what is the most deliberately misleading. I&#8217;ve never really given much thought to the distinction and would have said the issue was mainly about the increasing number of people rather than settlements anyway. Interestingly, the same PeaceNow link referred to here includes a chart at the end showing the growth in settlers in nearly a straight line from the late 1970&#8217;s until now.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2017 03:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A reader sent me this interesting post about the settlements in Israel, giving another perspective:

http://daledamos.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/if-israel-has-not-been-building.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader sent me this interesting post about the settlements in Israel, giving another perspective:</p>
<p><a href="http://daledamos.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/if-israel-has-not-been-building.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://daledamos.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/if-israel-has-not-been-building.html</a></p>
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		By: Ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 09:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13248&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

NZ Foreign Minister Murray McCully hits the nail on the head: &quot;The focal point for much of the critics&#039; anger is the direct call for a halt to the settlements. But that call by the council was clear and deliberate because continuing settlement growth at anything like the current rate will render the two state solution a purely academic concept. There will be nothing left to negotiate.&quot;
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=11780250]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13248">Heather Hastie</a>.</p>
<p>NZ Foreign Minister Murray McCully hits the nail on the head: &#8220;The focal point for much of the critics&#8217; anger is the direct call for a halt to the settlements. But that call by the council was clear and deliberate because continuing settlement growth at anything like the current rate will render the two state solution a purely academic concept. There will be nothing left to negotiate.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=11780250" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&#038;objectid=11780250</a></p>
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		By: Malgorzata Koraszewska		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malgorzata Koraszewska]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2017 19:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But have you heard about Israel which refuses water to Palestinians? About flooding Gaza by opening the dam last autumn and the autumn before? About Israeli soldiers shooting deliberately to Palestinian children? About Jewish settlers upprooting whole plantations of Palestinian olive trees? All these are modern myths about Jews and there are many, many more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But have you heard about Israel which refuses water to Palestinians? About flooding Gaza by opening the dam last autumn and the autumn before? About Israeli soldiers shooting deliberately to Palestinian children? About Jewish settlers upprooting whole plantations of Palestinian olive trees? All these are modern myths about Jews and there are many, many more.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather Hastie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2017 19:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13290&quot;&gt;Malgorzata Koraszewska&lt;/a&gt;.

If I&#039;ve ever heard any of those myths, I&#039;ve forgotten them. As a student of medieval British and European history I came across a lot of anti-Semitism though. Stories of Jews eating babies etc. They were often blamed for spreading the plague. Riots that ended with a Jews being murdered were common. The stories were ridiculous and said far more about the people who spread them.  It always surprises me what people will believe. But then billions believe the various myths of their religion. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/the-israeli-settlements/#comment-13290">Malgorzata Koraszewska</a>.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve ever heard any of those myths, I&#8217;ve forgotten them. As a student of medieval British and European history I came across a lot of anti-Semitism though. Stories of Jews eating babies etc. They were often blamed for spreading the plague. Riots that ended with a Jews being murdered were common. The stories were ridiculous and said far more about the people who spread them.  It always surprises me what people will believe. But then billions believe the various myths of their religion. </p>
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		By: Malgorzata Koraszewska		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Malgorzata Koraszewska]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2017 19:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, Heather. My post was not meant to be any sort of attack on you. I expressed my genuine bafflement at the support the idea about settlements as an obstacle to peace got in the world (Obama, Kerry, UN, EU, Ai, HRW, you name it). On the other hand I know the staggering amount of blatant lies circulating about Israel, lies which would never be believed about any other than Jewish country. And it is easy to coin a lie - much more difficult to descibe and prove the truth. How do you convince a Swedish journalist that Israelis went to help Haitians, not to harvest their organs? Now the story about bloodthirsty Israelis harvesting organs of innocent people lives on the Internet. Some lies are easier to debunk - the massacre of Jening for which UN (and the whole world) first condemned Israel and later apologised when it turned out that there was no massacre. But the lie about the poor child Muhammad Al-Dura lives on despite a thorough debunking. For some reason people suspend their thinking faculties and do not ask: &quot;but is it really possible?&quot; when they hear slander spread about Israel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Heather. My post was not meant to be any sort of attack on you. I expressed my genuine bafflement at the support the idea about settlements as an obstacle to peace got in the world (Obama, Kerry, UN, EU, Ai, HRW, you name it). On the other hand I know the staggering amount of blatant lies circulating about Israel, lies which would never be believed about any other than Jewish country. And it is easy to coin a lie &#8211; much more difficult to descibe and prove the truth. How do you convince a Swedish journalist that Israelis went to help Haitians, not to harvest their organs? Now the story about bloodthirsty Israelis harvesting organs of innocent people lives on the Internet. Some lies are easier to debunk &#8211; the massacre of Jening for which UN (and the whole world) first condemned Israel and later apologised when it turned out that there was no massacre. But the lie about the poor child Muhammad Al-Dura lives on despite a thorough debunking. For some reason people suspend their thinking faculties and do not ask: &#8220;but is it really possible?&#8221; when they hear slander spread about Israel.</p>
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