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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather Hastie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/russia-communists-align-orthodox-church/#comment-15698&quot;&gt;Stuart Hannell&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Stuart, and thanks so much for your ongoing support. Your constancy means a lot to me. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/russia-communists-align-orthodox-church/#comment-15698">Stuart Hannell</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Stuart, and thanks so much for your ongoing support. Your constancy means a lot to me. 🙂</p>
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		By: Stuart Hannell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2017 07:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another wonderful post! Thanks Heather for the thoughtful detail and the helpful stats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another wonderful post! Thanks Heather for the thoughtful detail and the helpful stats.</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2017 04:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post, Heather.
Although I was aware of some Orthodox-Christian &#039;revival&#039; (backlash?), I wasn&#039;t aware of it&#039;s extent and depth. The degree of smooching up of the communist party I also found surprising. The whole thing appears somewhat scary.
Are we going to see an Atheist US (they are the fastest growing group there) and a deeply Christian &#039;former USSR&#039;? and inbetween an Islamic Western Europe? ?  (&quot;Predicting is difficult, especially the future&quot;*)
Since you mention Gorbachev, is there any individual that has had a greater influence on world affairs in the last 4-5 decades? Didn&#039;t he set all this in motion?

*[that quote has been ascribed to so many, I just won&#039;t try]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Heather.<br />
Although I was aware of some Orthodox-Christian &#8216;revival&#8217; (backlash?), I wasn&#8217;t aware of it&#8217;s extent and depth. The degree of smooching up of the communist party I also found surprising. The whole thing appears somewhat scary.<br />
Are we going to see an Atheist US (they are the fastest growing group there) and a deeply Christian &#8216;former USSR&#8217;? and inbetween an Islamic Western Europe? ?  (&#8220;Predicting is difficult, especially the future&#8221;*)<br />
Since you mention Gorbachev, is there any individual that has had a greater influence on world affairs in the last 4-5 decades? Didn&#8217;t he set all this in motion?</p>
<p>*[that quote has been ascribed to so many, I just won&#8217;t try]</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 20:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/russia-communists-align-orthodox-church/#comment-15685&quot;&gt;Linda Calhoun&lt;/a&gt;.

Both excellent points, and I agree.  

Another one is the conflation of communism with socialism. Most modern democracies have socialist aspects to their societies to a greater or lesser extent. Paying taxes to a central authority, if only to pay for the military, is socialism. So is the principle of having laws that apply to everyone equally. Democracy is partly about deciding how much socialism there will be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/russia-communists-align-orthodox-church/#comment-15685">Linda Calhoun</a>.</p>
<p>Both excellent points, and I agree.  </p>
<p>Another one is the conflation of communism with socialism. Most modern democracies have socialist aspects to their societies to a greater or lesser extent. Paying taxes to a central authority, if only to pay for the military, is socialism. So is the principle of having laws that apply to everyone equally. Democracy is partly about deciding how much socialism there will be.</p>
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		By: Yakaru		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 20:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent post, Heather, and extremely important. 

I&#039;d heard the notion that the thing that really irked right wing crazies in the US about Russia was its supposed atheism. I hadn&#039;t realized that Putin&#039;s weaponizing of it would also lead those same people to a change of heart, given certain preconditions.

Putin&#039;s idiotic brand of white supremacy is also spreading through Europe, augmented by the ascendancy of Trump and the normalizing of stupidity.

Also an important mention of Lysenkoism -- the lessons of subordinating science to propaganda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Heather, and extremely important. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d heard the notion that the thing that really irked right wing crazies in the US about Russia was its supposed atheism. I hadn&#8217;t realized that Putin&#8217;s weaponizing of it would also lead those same people to a change of heart, given certain preconditions.</p>
<p>Putin&#8217;s idiotic brand of white supremacy is also spreading through Europe, augmented by the ascendancy of Trump and the normalizing of stupidity.</p>
<p>Also an important mention of Lysenkoism &#8212; the lessons of subordinating science to propaganda.</p>
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		By: Linda Calhoun		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A couple of observations that I&#039;ve made before seem appropriate here.

One is that the skills needed to be a good citizen of a religion and the skills needed to be a good citizen of a democracy are completely polar opposite to one another.  To be a good citizen of a religion, you need to be credulous, unquestioning, and blindly obedient.  You also need to believe that people outside your tribe are lacking somehow, intellectually, morally, or otherwise.  To be a good citizen of a democracy, you need to be questioning, skeptical, and willing to look at relevant facts even when they contradict your preconceptions.  You also need to recognize that you might learn something from others&#039; different viewpoints, and be willing to find solutions that accommodate the most people.

The other observation that I have made before that seems relevant here is that during the whole &quot;cold war&quot; phase, it always seemed to me that the only difference in the views was whether &quot;god&quot; existed.  Communism and religion spring from an identical premise, which is:  I know what&#039;s better for you than you do.  They are BOTH authoritarian systems.  They both want to run the show with no dissent.  Ick.

L]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of observations that I&#8217;ve made before seem appropriate here.</p>
<p>One is that the skills needed to be a good citizen of a religion and the skills needed to be a good citizen of a democracy are completely polar opposite to one another.  To be a good citizen of a religion, you need to be credulous, unquestioning, and blindly obedient.  You also need to believe that people outside your tribe are lacking somehow, intellectually, morally, or otherwise.  To be a good citizen of a democracy, you need to be questioning, skeptical, and willing to look at relevant facts even when they contradict your preconceptions.  You also need to recognize that you might learn something from others&#8217; different viewpoints, and be willing to find solutions that accommodate the most people.</p>
<p>The other observation that I have made before that seems relevant here is that during the whole &#8220;cold war&#8221; phase, it always seemed to me that the only difference in the views was whether &#8220;god&#8221; existed.  Communism and religion spring from an identical premise, which is:  I know what&#8217;s better for you than you do.  They are BOTH authoritarian systems.  They both want to run the show with no dissent.  Ick.</p>
<p>L</p>
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		By: nwalsh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Heather, very thorough and enlightening, also very scary. At a time when we need western leadership we have an asshole in the White house  that is moving in the opposite direction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather, very thorough and enlightening, also very scary. At a time when we need western leadership we have an asshole in the White house  that is moving in the opposite direction.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
		<link>https://www.heatherhastie.com/russia-communists-align-orthodox-church/#comment-15682</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather Hastie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/russia-communists-align-orthodox-church/#comment-15679&quot;&gt;Chris Gee&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Chris, and thanks for reading it - that&#039;s a mission in itself given the length. I suspect I lost a lot of readers long before they got to the comments! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/russia-communists-align-orthodox-church/#comment-15679">Chris Gee</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Chris, and thanks for reading it &#8211; that&#8217;s a mission in itself given the length. I suspect I lost a lot of readers long before they got to the comments! </p>
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		By: Chris Gee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great work Heather, as always.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work Heather, as always.</p>
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