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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21896&quot;&gt;nicky&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by, &quot;disagree with&quot; me Nicky. I don&#039;t think I made any comment about male vs female or vice-versa. I&#039;ve acknowledged before that men are victims too, and always speak of abuse as being something that isn&#039;t only suffered by women.

This post is about this situation, where it seems the abuse is one way - from Porter to the women he&#039;s involved with. His second wife publicly reports no direct physical abuse (there was indirect physical violence, such as punching in a window), but does report an enormous amount of other abuse.

All couples argue. That is not necessarily abuse on either side, but obviously I have no knowledge of your situation. Women, in general, argue differently than men. I wouldn&#039;t call it better. As always, it depends on the person. I recommend the old book &#039;Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus&#039; which explains that difference quite well iirc.

(I&#039;ve never owned a copy, but I read some of it while staying with a friend 20+ years ago. I found it pretty accurate in the way it described male-female couple relationships. Often just understanding that stuff makes all the difference.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21896">nicky</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by, &#8220;disagree with&#8221; me Nicky. I don&#8217;t think I made any comment about male vs female or vice-versa. I&#8217;ve acknowledged before that men are victims too, and always speak of abuse as being something that isn&#8217;t only suffered by women.</p>
<p>This post is about this situation, where it seems the abuse is one way &#8211; from Porter to the women he&#8217;s involved with. His second wife publicly reports no direct physical abuse (there was indirect physical violence, such as punching in a window), but does report an enormous amount of other abuse.</p>
<p>All couples argue. That is not necessarily abuse on either side, but obviously I have no knowledge of your situation. Women, in general, argue differently than men. I wouldn&#8217;t call it better. As always, it depends on the person. I recommend the old book &#8216;Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus&#8217; which explains that difference quite well iirc.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve never owned a copy, but I read some of it while staying with a friend 20+ years ago. I found it pretty accurate in the way it described male-female couple relationships. Often just understanding that stuff makes all the difference.)</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On spousal abuse. I do not think it is a given that &#039;male on female&#039; is a given, For physical abuse, it is clear that males are generally the culprit. However, I was surprised how often the physical attacks were initiated by women (probably for good reasons, but that is not the point here), but for obvious reasons women often come second  best in these situations, and hence become víctims. Therefore, yes, in physical abuse men generally are more to blame than women.
On verbal abuse I disagree with you Heather. Generally women are much better at that than men. And I talk from &#039;lived experience&#039; ???? (note I never answered verbal abuse with physical violence). Paradoxically, physical violence often is the recourse of the powerless or defeated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On spousal abuse. I do not think it is a given that &#8216;male on female&#8217; is a given, For physical abuse, it is clear that males are generally the culprit. However, I was surprised how often the physical attacks were initiated by women (probably for good reasons, but that is not the point here), but for obvious reasons women often come second  best in these situations, and hence become víctims. Therefore, yes, in physical abuse men generally are more to blame than women.<br />
On verbal abuse I disagree with you Heather. Generally women are much better at that than men. And I talk from &#8216;lived experience&#8217; ???? (note I never answered verbal abuse with physical violence). Paradoxically, physical violence often is the recourse of the powerless or defeated.</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21894&quot;&gt;nicky&lt;/a&gt;.

You pointed it out because -well I guess- so many films show a recent &#039;black eye&#039; without swelling. Ridiculous. Just like the hero knocking out the Villain  barehanded without damage to his (indeed generally a male) hands, no fracture and able to, say, play the piano. In real life it does not work like that. I&#039;ve too  often seen (long ago as medical officer) that after the guy with a broken jaw, the perpetrator comes with a broken hand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21894">nicky</a>.</p>
<p>You pointed it out because -well I guess- so many films show a recent &#8216;black eye&#8217; without swelling. Ridiculous. Just like the hero knocking out the Villain  barehanded without damage to his (indeed generally a male) hands, no fracture and able to, say, play the piano. In real life it does not work like that. I&#8217;ve too  often seen (long ago as medical officer) that after the guy with a broken jaw, the perpetrator comes with a broken hand.</p>
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		By: nicky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21857&quot;&gt;Mark R.&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed, as I pointed out on earlier threads, about 2-3 weeks old. And easily faked (again, I do not think this photo is faked). The real point is that there was a long history of abuse, and from 2 to 3 independent sources. A photograph  of a 2-3 weeks old &#039;black eye&#039; should not clinch it, it is the history that should be sufficient.
If we accept that a photograph is necessary, we&#039;re going to miss a lot of abuse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21857">Mark R.</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed, as I pointed out on earlier threads, about 2-3 weeks old. And easily faked (again, I do not think this photo is faked). The real point is that there was a long history of abuse, and from 2 to 3 independent sources. A photograph  of a 2-3 weeks old &#8216;black eye&#8217; should not clinch it, it is the history that should be sufficient.<br />
If we accept that a photograph is necessary, we&#8217;re going to miss a lot of abuse.</p>
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		By: Jenny Haniver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21855&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, if we here in the US have a president who wouldn&#039;t pass a security clearance, it&#039;s no wonder that he fills the White House with these squirrelly folks.  Par for the course.

&quot;Mark R&quot; below coined an apt phrase for those of us who get more detailed, concise, and reliable news analysis from you &quot;News Zealand.&quot;  +1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21855">Heather Hastie</a>.</p>
<p>Well, if we here in the US have a president who wouldn&#8217;t pass a security clearance, it&#8217;s no wonder that he fills the White House with these squirrelly folks.  Par for the course.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mark R&#8221; below coined an apt phrase for those of us who get more detailed, concise, and reliable news analysis from you &#8220;News Zealand.&#8221;  +1</p>
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		By: Mark R.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 01:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this distillation. I&#039;ve been following this story closely, but you still were able to fill in a couple gaps. I&#039;m glad I can get more facts from News Zealand. ;)

I&#039;d also like to add that the black eye is on the mend in that (now infamous) photo. From a medical site: &lt;i&gt;Within 1 or 2 days, the hemoglobin (an iron-containing substance that carries oxygen) in the blood changes and your bruise turns bluish-purple or even blackish. After 5 to 10 days, the bruise turns greenish or yellowish. Then, after 10 or 14 days, it turns yellowish-brown or light brown.&lt;/i&gt;

So based on this (and my own experience with contusions) this photo was taken many days after she was hit. I&#039;m sure this disturbing photo would have been more disturbing the day after...swollen, black and blue...not yellow/green without swelling. I don&#039;t know why I&#039;m pointing this out, but for some reason I thought it relevant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this distillation. I&#8217;ve been following this story closely, but you still were able to fill in a couple gaps. I&#8217;m glad I can get more facts from News Zealand. 😉</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to add that the black eye is on the mend in that (now infamous) photo. From a medical site: <i>Within 1 or 2 days, the hemoglobin (an iron-containing substance that carries oxygen) in the blood changes and your bruise turns bluish-purple or even blackish. After 5 to 10 days, the bruise turns greenish or yellowish. Then, after 10 or 14 days, it turns yellowish-brown or light brown.</i></p>
<p>So based on this (and my own experience with contusions) this photo was taken many days after she was hit. I&#8217;m sure this disturbing photo would have been more disturbing the day after&#8230;swollen, black and blue&#8230;not yellow/green without swelling. I don&#8217;t know why I&#8217;m pointing this out, but for some reason I thought it relevant.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21854&quot;&gt;Jenny Haniver&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21854">Jenny Haniver</a>.</p>
<p>Yep!</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21853&quot;&gt;Jenny Haniver&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, I was going to include that in the post, but it was getting too long, and I&#039;d mentioned it the day before. After 13 months all these people without security clearances who aren&#039;t going to ever be able to get them, like Porter and Sorensen, should be gone.

I would like to note that if Trump went through a background check, he would not be able to get a security clearance either. Australia wouldn&#039;t give him a Visa a few years ago because of his links to organized crime. He has a history of spousal abuse. There are a whole lot of ex-mistresses out there. I often wonder if the reason he never criticizes Putin is because they have something on him and are blackmailing him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21853">Jenny Haniver</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, I was going to include that in the post, but it was getting too long, and I&#8217;d mentioned it the day before. After 13 months all these people without security clearances who aren&#8217;t going to ever be able to get them, like Porter and Sorensen, should be gone.</p>
<p>I would like to note that if Trump went through a background check, he would not be able to get a security clearance either. Australia wouldn&#8217;t give him a Visa a few years ago because of his links to organized crime. He has a history of spousal abuse. There are a whole lot of ex-mistresses out there. I often wonder if the reason he never criticizes Putin is because they have something on him and are blackmailing him.</p>
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		By: Jenny Haniver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21853&quot;&gt;Jenny Haniver&lt;/a&gt;.

Good grief! There&#039;s more:&quot;DOD report - felons, people under foreign influence received security clearance   http://thehill.com/homenews/house/370502-dod-report-felons-people-under-foreign-influence-received-security-clearances]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/rob-porter-scandal/#comment-21853">Jenny Haniver</a>.</p>
<p>Good grief! There&#8217;s more:&#8221;DOD report &#8211; felons, people under foreign influence received security clearance   <a href="http://thehill.com/homenews/house/370502-dod-report-felons-people-under-foreign-influence-received-security-clearances" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thehill.com/homenews/house/370502-dod-report-felons-people-under-foreign-influence-received-security-clearances</a></p>
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		By: Jenny Haniver		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again I&#039;ve got to go to New Zealand to get a concise account of what&#039;s happening in the US.  And all these highly educated, cultured, upstanding white men who abuse their wives and girlfriends; they&#039;re the first to condemn and heap opprobrium on non-white men, calling them savages and rapists.

It should also be noted that the White House is crawling with people handling top secret info who have no security clearances (beginning with Jared Kushner. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/many-wh-staff-reportedly-lack-permanent-security-clearances.html.  Why am I not surprised?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again I&#8217;ve got to go to New Zealand to get a concise account of what&#8217;s happening in the US.  And all these highly educated, cultured, upstanding white men who abuse their wives and girlfriends; they&#8217;re the first to condemn and heap opprobrium on non-white men, calling them savages and rapists.</p>
<p>It should also be noted that the White House is crawling with people handling top secret info who have no security clearances (beginning with Jared Kushner. <a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/many-wh-staff-reportedly-lack-permanent-security-clearances.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/many-wh-staff-reportedly-lack-permanent-security-clearances.html</a>.  Why am I not surprised?</p>
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