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		By: Paxton marshall		</title>
		<link>https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5042</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But I think it is a legitimate issue, and the role of homosexuality in history, systematically repressed by the anti-gay majority, might be fruitfully extended to other investigations, most prominently the role of gays in the Roman church. Monasticism in particular is crying out for a new interpretation. 

Heather, I worried a bit about my use of &quot;prim&quot; in my previous comment. It&#039;s not a word I had associated with you before, but only occurred to me as a contrast to the blatant anti-conventionality of this post. It was all meant in an admiring way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I think it is a legitimate issue, and the role of homosexuality in history, systematically repressed by the anti-gay majority, might be fruitfully extended to other investigations, most prominently the role of gays in the Roman church. Monasticism in particular is crying out for a new interpretation. </p>
<p>Heather, I worried a bit about my use of &#8220;prim&#8221; in my previous comment. It&#8217;s not a word I had associated with you before, but only occurred to me as a contrast to the blatant anti-conventionality of this post. It was all meant in an admiring way.</p>
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		By: Mark R.		</title>
		<link>https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5030</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2015 02:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5026&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Anyway, this isn’t really a serious analysis. The whole God thing is a myth, and all this is, is a poke at those who take the Bible seriously and use it as an excuse for their homophobic bigotry.&quot;

Exactly...I interpreted this piece as a sarcastic reaction to Kim Davis. And it is spot on from that pov.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5026">Heather Hastie</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyway, this isn’t really a serious analysis. The whole God thing is a myth, and all this is, is a poke at those who take the Bible seriously and use it as an excuse for their homophobic bigotry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly&#8230;I interpreted this piece as a sarcastic reaction to Kim Davis. And it is spot on from that pov.</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2015 01:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5022&quot;&gt;Ben Goren&lt;/a&gt;.

Cheers. As I alluded to in my answer to Paxton, that&#039;s pretty much what this post is about - &quot;spluttering bluster&quot; is a great description of what I&#039;d expect. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5022">Ben Goren</a>.</p>
<p>Cheers. As I alluded to in my answer to Paxton, that&#8217;s pretty much what this post is about &#8211; &#8220;spluttering bluster&#8221; is a great description of what I&#8217;d expect. 🙂</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
		<link>https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5026</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2015 01:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5018&quot;&gt;paxton marshall&lt;/a&gt;.

Not sure if this is a compliment or not! I&#039;ve been called a lot of things in my time, several uncomplimentary, but never &quot;prim.&quot;

I don&#039;t see my atheism as very &quot;rebellious&quot; either. It&#039;s another word that&#039;s probably never been applied to me. I just do what I think is right , so deciding on atheism was probably more &quot;prim&quot; than &quot;rebellious.&quot; Maybe you&#039;re right after all! :-)

I&#039;m a very calm person, generally tolerant and laid-back. So in writing, I guess that could come across as conventional.

Anyway, this isn&#039;t really a serious analysis. The whole God thing is a myth, and all this is, is a poke at those who take the Bible seriously and use it as an excuse for their homophobic bigotry. As has been proven many times, you can use the Bible to justify whatever attitudes you choose for your religion. Both the slavers and anti-slavers invoked God and the Bible. Same with the white supremacists and their opponents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5018">paxton marshall</a>.</p>
<p>Not sure if this is a compliment or not! I&#8217;ve been called a lot of things in my time, several uncomplimentary, but never &#8220;prim.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see my atheism as very &#8220;rebellious&#8221; either. It&#8217;s another word that&#8217;s probably never been applied to me. I just do what I think is right , so deciding on atheism was probably more &#8220;prim&#8221; than &#8220;rebellious.&#8221; Maybe you&#8217;re right after all! 🙂</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a very calm person, generally tolerant and laid-back. So in writing, I guess that could come across as conventional.</p>
<p>Anyway, this isn&#8217;t really a serious analysis. The whole God thing is a myth, and all this is, is a poke at those who take the Bible seriously and use it as an excuse for their homophobic bigotry. As has been proven many times, you can use the Bible to justify whatever attitudes you choose for your religion. Both the slavers and anti-slavers invoked God and the Bible. Same with the white supremacists and their opponents.</p>
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		By: Ben Goren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5000&quot;&gt;Heather Hastie&lt;/a&gt;.

There&#039;s nothing to beat yourself up about. It&#039;s a good piece -- and Asherah is (basically) nonexistent in the Bible as it survives today, so, as far as the Abrahamic religions are concerned, she&#039;s not part of their pantheon and never has been. Leaving them stuck with &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34%3A14&#038;version=KJV&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jealous&lt;/a&gt; jilted Jehovah.

I doubt there&#039;s any response any apologist can make aside from spluttering bluster about how sacrilegious this blasphemy is.

b&#038;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5000">Heather Hastie</a>.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing to beat yourself up about. It&#8217;s a good piece &#8212; and Asherah is (basically) nonexistent in the Bible as it survives today, so, as far as the Abrahamic religions are concerned, she&#8217;s not part of their pantheon and never has been. Leaving them stuck with <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34%3A14&amp;version=KJV" rel="nofollow">Jealous</a> jilted Jehovah.</p>
<p>I doubt there&#8217;s any response any apologist can make aside from spluttering bluster about how sacrilegious this blasphemy is.</p>
<p>b&amp;</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 21:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5002&quot;&gt;Diane G.&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Diane. I got the idea before I even had a website, but I was too scared to post it, so no more than the title and a few lines ever got written. It&#039;s taken a year of posts for me to get up the courage!

However, it turns out that I&#039;d forgotten how the story was supposed to go (because that&#039;s what it originally was - a short story) and Asherah (God&#039;s wife) got forgotten, as Ben points out. I also forgot Lilith, but I don&#039;t think I thought about her when this first came to mind anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-5002">Diane G.</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Diane. I got the idea before I even had a website, but I was too scared to post it, so no more than the title and a few lines ever got written. It&#8217;s taken a year of posts for me to get up the courage!</p>
<p>However, it turns out that I&#8217;d forgotten how the story was supposed to go (because that&#8217;s what it originally was &#8211; a short story) and Asherah (God&#8217;s wife) got forgotten, as Ben points out. I also forgot Lilith, but I don&#8217;t think I thought about her when this first came to mind anyway.</p>
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		By: paxton marshall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 20:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Outrageous post Heather!  And I mean that in the best sense.  I&#039;ve revised my opinion of you.  I pictured you as a somewhat prim conformist, whose most rebellious act was giving up Christianity, but with rather conventional views otherwise.  Forgive me.  I see now that you have the courage to think outside the box.  I&#039;m not convinced by your analysis.  Certainly Yahweh was created in the image of the leaders of Hebrew society, who were most certainly male paternalists, and, as we would say misogynists.  If sexual preference is, as we believe, biologically determined, then it stands to reason that 5-10% of these leaders were sexually attracted to other men rather than women.  In early times the Hebrews were a pastoral society, in which the men would have been absent from their women for considerable periods of time, providing motivations for gay sex.  The origin story certainly exhibits and ambivalence about the role of women, and their sexual allures.  So maybe there were gay elements in the hodge-podge of stories that eventually crystallized into the book of Genesis.  Still, it seems a stretch to say that the primary characteristics of Yahweh in the OT was as a gay.  Still, I&#039;m glad you brought it up, and I think it is worthy of further exploration.  Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outrageous post Heather!  And I mean that in the best sense.  I&#8217;ve revised my opinion of you.  I pictured you as a somewhat prim conformist, whose most rebellious act was giving up Christianity, but with rather conventional views otherwise.  Forgive me.  I see now that you have the courage to think outside the box.  I&#8217;m not convinced by your analysis.  Certainly Yahweh was created in the image of the leaders of Hebrew society, who were most certainly male paternalists, and, as we would say misogynists.  If sexual preference is, as we believe, biologically determined, then it stands to reason that 5-10% of these leaders were sexually attracted to other men rather than women.  In early times the Hebrews were a pastoral society, in which the men would have been absent from their women for considerable periods of time, providing motivations for gay sex.  The origin story certainly exhibits and ambivalence about the role of women, and their sexual allures.  So maybe there were gay elements in the hodge-podge of stories that eventually crystallized into the book of Genesis.  Still, it seems a stretch to say that the primary characteristics of Yahweh in the OT was as a gay.  Still, I&#8217;m glad you brought it up, and I think it is worthy of further exploration.  Thanks!</p>
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		By: Diane G.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 10:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LOL, hilarious, Heather!  And it makes perfect sense. :D

I guffawed when I got to this: &quot;Yahweh failed to intervene (setting a precedent)...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, hilarious, Heather!  And it makes perfect sense. 😀</p>
<p>I guffawed when I got to this: &#8220;Yahweh failed to intervene (setting a precedent)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Heather Hastie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 05:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-4999&quot;&gt;Ben Goren&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah - someone else reminded me on Twitter. And the annoying thing is, when I first started writing this, I was going to weave Asherah (and Lillith) into the story, and it was going to go differently (obviously). I&#039;ve got a couple of good pics of Asherah and everything!. But I completely forgot about her, and this is what I ended up with. I&#039;ll blame old age, although I&#039;m not sure I can really get away with that at 51!

&quot;... horn of the dilemma for the Abrahamists to impale themselves upon ...&quot; would have made a good phallic symbol to include too! :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.heatherhastie.com/is-yahweh-gay/#comment-4999">Ben Goren</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; someone else reminded me on Twitter. And the annoying thing is, when I first started writing this, I was going to weave Asherah (and Lillith) into the story, and it was going to go differently (obviously). I&#8217;ve got a couple of good pics of Asherah and everything!. But I completely forgot about her, and this is what I ended up with. I&#8217;ll blame old age, although I&#8217;m not sure I can really get away with that at 51!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; horn of the dilemma for the Abrahamists to impale themselves upon &#8230;&#8221; would have made a good phallic symbol to include too! 🙂</p>
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		By: Ben Goren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 04:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ooh...evil. I like! My kind of blasphemy.

It&#039;s a very reasonable interpretation of the Bible as it stands today, especially considering who&#039;ve stood as its guardians over the millennia and who shaped it to be what it is.

But it&#039;s also worth noting that &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;YHWH actually had a wife&lt;/a&gt;.

...which, of course, merely presents the other horn of the dilemma for the Abrahamists to impale themselves upon....

b&#038;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh&#8230;evil. I like! My kind of blasphemy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very reasonable interpretation of the Bible as it stands today, especially considering who&#8217;ve stood as its guardians over the millennia and who shaped it to be what it is.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s also worth noting that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah" rel="nofollow">YHWH actually had a wife</a>.</p>
<p>&#8230;which, of course, merely presents the other horn of the dilemma for the Abrahamists to impale themselves upon&#8230;.</p>
<p>b&amp;</p>
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