Yes, I guess I’m too suspicious. ‘It is not because you’re paranoid they are not out to get you!’ ?

Yeah, I find them a bit scary too. It’s so jarring to hear those words in an Aussie accent. And because they’re Australian, we can’t write them off as unaware or anything like that. If they went through the Aussie school system, their education will have been secular all the way and very similar to my own.

I don’t know how to explain it. I assume they believe what they’re saying. I have noticed that a lot of people who criticize Ayaan Hirsi Ali actually know very little about her, they just believe what they’ve been told by the regressive left. It’s like the Southern Poverty Law Center putting her on their anti-Muslim extremist list, and the reaction of may to Sam Harris. They’d rather believe the made up quotes from creeps like CJ Werleman.

I’m only superficially acquainted with the issue, but I would think that Saudi lettuce is unlikely. I’d chalk it up to virtue signalling and in-crowd, group-think. They are likely to perceive themselves as operating from noble principles, much like early Christians at a witch burning.

The sad, or rather worrying, thing is that Trump actually is president of the US (and, as worrying, Pence his VP).

I found these women very, very scary. I have difficulty to just write it off as stupid ignorance, it appears deeply sinister to me. Who pays -which I suspect- these women to talk such garbage? Again, just a suspicion, would there be some Saudi lettuce involved?

Thanks Nicky.

And yes. It’s like the new meme:

War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
Trump is President.

🙂

I agree, and feel pretty much the same way.

Thanks for the reference on the Hitchens quote. You’ve jogged my memory and I now remember when and where I first came across it.

Ah. Perfect.

See above. A single unpacked sentence from Hitchens, well worth the taking time to unpack.

This is what pisses me off the most and also kind of terrifies me about these people — the assumption that anyone who makes a statement they disagree with must be labeled and screamed unrelentingly. It’s a valuable learning experience to find a well informed, articulate and sincere opponent, and figure out exactly where the disagreement is.

My apologies. It was spoken (Youtube link), and I misquoted it slightly — “People have to take part in their own deception.”

He was referring to anti-Iraq war activists initially opposing the war because of the danger of Saddam using weapons of mass destruction, and later switching to saying it was always clear that there were no such weapons. It points to an insincerity at the base of their hysteria.